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France continues it's clusterfuck of Islamophobia

11:43 pm - 09/15/2011
France bans public Muslim prayers

MUSLIMS will be banned from praying outdoors in France from today in the latest move by officials to remove Islam from the public sphere.

The ban, announced by the government yesterday, infuriated French Muslim leaders, one of whom accused President Sarkozy's government of treating them like cattle.

They say that Muslims, who pray outdoors only because of a lack of space in mosques in France, feel stigmatised.

But Claude Gueant, the Interior Minister, said that the sight of hundreds of people gathering in the streets of Paris and other cities for Friday prayers was "shocking".

It comes after laws to prohibit pupils from wearing headscarves in schools and women from wearing the niqab, the full Muslim veil, in public.

Mr Gueant described outlawing street prayers as the latest brick in the wall that is shoring up the secular nature of the French state. He said that he had nothing against Islam, but wanted it out of the public eye.

"Street prayers must stop because they hurt the feelings of many of our compatriots who are shocked by the occupation of the public space for a religious practice," he said.

Police could be asked to arrest Muslims who continue to pray in the street, Mr Gueant warned, but officials will initially try to persuade them to move into a mosque.

Debate has focused on the Goutte d'Or district in northern Paris. Dozens and sometimes hundreds of Muslims pray in the surrounding streets.

Marine Le Pen, the leader of the National Front, was accused of racism when she said that the worship amounted to an "occupation" - a word that for many French is associated with the Nazi invasion during the Second World War.

But the government now appears to be on the same wavelength, with Mr Gueant agreeing that street prayers would "upset" his fellow countrymen.

He said that officials had made available a disused fire station in the Goutte d'Or with room for 2700 people for a rent of €30,000 ($A40,330) a year.

But Muslim leaders said that the site would be open to worshippers only on Fridays.

Mohamed Salah Hamza, imam at a mosque in the Goutte d'Or district, said: "We are not cattle. Our demands have not entirely been satisfied."

He said that he feared worshippers would continue to pray outside.

"I am in an uncomfortable position and I am afraid there will be a climate of anarchy," he said.


I notice that only Muslim prayer is banned, not prayer in general, such as Easter celebrations. Such a ban would be just as bullshit but still.
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layweed 16th-Sep-2011 06:00 am (UTC)
What the bloody hell is this?
chrys20 16th-Sep-2011 06:06 am (UTC)
What bullshit. I want to punch Sarkozy in the face.
luminescnece 16th-Sep-2011 05:59 pm (UTC)
I've been holding onto that urge for a long long time.
spyral_path 16th-Sep-2011 06:09 am (UTC)
Apparently liberte, egualite and fraternite only apply if you're ethnically French. I'm pretty solidly athiest, but I can't see how people praying and wearinf head scarves because that's what they believe in is offensive. As long as they aren't forcing me to wear a scarf or pray, I'm okay with it.

Do they not remember their history of colonizing North Africa? Complaints of being occupied by Muslims sound ludicrous in that context.
stormqueen280 16th-Sep-2011 06:32 am (UTC)
I'm not even sure 'ethnically French' exists.
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astridmyrna 16th-Sep-2011 06:12 am (UTC)
OH FFS SARKOZY. Can you be anymore of an Islamaphobic douche?
stormqueen280 16th-Sep-2011 06:33 am (UTC)
Seriously, when it's the damn French election?
sobota 16th-Sep-2011 08:08 am (UTC)
next year!
mingemonster 16th-Sep-2011 06:36 am (UTC)
What the fuck?! I don't know exactly how the EU human rights crap works, but they should be able to stop this, right?
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homasse 16th-Sep-2011 06:42 am (UTC)

OK, it's one thing if you make a blanket ban on praying outside - if it is dogwhistle islamophobia to do so - but this is just plane flat-out islamaphobia when you blatantly single out Islam.
fatpie42 16th-Sep-2011 08:09 am (UTC)
Secularism - You're doing it wrong!
sobota 16th-Sep-2011 08:10 am (UTC)
Such a ban would be just as bullshit but still.

It would be very much in the spirit of true French laicité, but damn if they'd ever do it.

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU, FRANCE. i love your language and your art and your left-wing politics, but seriously, you have got to stop with the serious islamophobic attitude.

at least i have something to talk about in my french classes, now?
fatpie42 16th-Sep-2011 08:21 am (UTC)
and your left-wing politics

Out of interest, what part of their politics do you consider particularly left-wing? I can't claim to be an expert myself, so I wondered what you had in mind.
fatpie42 16th-Sep-2011 08:19 am (UTC)
French politicians use the country’s 1905 secularism law as reasoning why Muslims cannot be financially assisted by the government to build mosques. Right-wing mayors also allegedly refuse issuing construction permits to those who have the money.


fatpie42 And there's more...16th-Sep-2011 08:24 am (UTC)
“We didn't receive any letters. We negotiated with the Paris Govenor's Office before June. But we didn't know that the ban would be put into effect this soon,” Mohamed Salah Hamza said, adding that most Muslims in France still do not know that they are not supposed to pray on the street ahead of this week's Friday prayer. He underscored that Muslims do not want to pray on streets and have demanded larger mosques.

heresie_irisee 16th-Sep-2011 08:34 am (UTC)


how have I not heard of this? Am I just getting spectacularly bad at following the news? Because this feels really out of the blue; I'd have expected the right to try and get as much of the FN's electorate as they could by giving it maximum publicity.

God, I just can't with my country anymore.

This is in fucking ARTICLE ONE of our fucking constitution. "La France (...) respecte toutes les croyances" my arse.
wathsalive 16th-Sep-2011 08:50 am (UTC)
WHAT THE FUCK this is outrageous

First the burqa, now prayer. France isn't being subtle about their absolute racism and xenophobia and violation of human rights at all are they?
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jslayeruk 16th-Sep-2011 08:54 am (UTC)
It's about time something was done about this Islamic menace. But it still offends my secular sensibilities knowing that Muslims are out there. Why don't we make all Muslims wear yellow crescent badges too? Then we'd be able to recognise the potential threat to secularism. Oh, and just so fewer people are offended, all the Muslims should live in designated parts of each town, yeah. And naturally we don't want to encourage this anti-secular activity, so a ban on trade between Muslims and Secularists would make sense...

Sigh. France, you are no longer On Notice. You are now Dead To Me. Congrats.
mephisto5 16th-Sep-2011 09:18 am (UTC)
This isn't secularism, that's just a veil for their outright islamaphobic bullshit. :/ If it were secular, all prayer would be banned, not just islamic prayer.
mephisto5 16th-Sep-2011 09:26 am (UTC)
From the 'Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union"

Chapter 3

Article 21


1. Any discrimination based on any ground such as sex, race, colour, ethnic or social origin, genetic
features, language, religion or belief, political or any other opinion, membership of a national minority,
property, birth, disability, age or sexual orientation shall be prohibited.

Article 22

Cultural, religious and linguistic diversity

The Union shall respect cultural, religious and linguistic diversity.

....get your fucking act together France.
youkiddinright 16th-Sep-2011 02:47 pm (UTC)
I'm not well versed in constitutional law, but I really don't understand how laws like those are fucking legal. Usually (based on a previous law in my country) if they are to vote a law that could be seen as discriminatory they have to prove they a good reason for doing it.
livetuned I can't even form a logical response right now16th-Sep-2011 10:08 am (UTC)
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