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In submission to European court of human rights, Lord Carey claims…

4:04 pm - 04/14/2012

In submission to European court of human rights, Lord Carey claims Christians are vilified by state bodies

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Lord Carey, the former archbishop of Canterbury, said Christians were 'often sought out and framed by homosexual activists'. Photograph: Murdo Macleod

Christians are being "persecuted" and "driven underground" while the courts fail to protect their religious values, a former archbishop of Canterbury has claimed.

Lord Carey said Christians were excluded from many sectors of employment because of their beliefs, "vilified by state bodies" and left in fear of arrest for expressing their views.

The former archbishop's claims are part of a written submission to the European court of human rights, seen by the Daily Telegraph, before a landmark case on religious freedom.

The hearing will deal with the cases of two workers forced out of their jobs after wearing visible crosses, a Relate therapist sacked for saying he was not comfortable giving sex counselling to gay couples, and a Christian registrar who refused to conduct civil partnership ceremonies.

The British Airways worker Nadia Eweida, a Pentecostal Christian, received widespread publicity when she was sent home in 2006 after refusing to remove a necklace with a cross or hide it from sight.

An employment tribunal ruled Eweida had not suffered religious discrimination, but the airline changed its uniform policy after the case to allow all religious symbols, including crosses.

Shirley Chaplin, a nurse, was moved to a paperwork role by the Royal Devon and Exeter NHS Trust hospital after refusing to remove a necklace bearing a crucifix.

Gary McFarlane, a Bristol marriage counsellor, was sacked for refusing to give sex therapy to gay people, and the registrar Lilian Ladele was disciplined after she refused to conduct same-sex civil partnership ceremonies in north London.

In the submission, Carey said the outward expression of traditional conservative Christian values had in effect been banned under a new "secular conformity of belief and conduct".

The former archbishop argued that in "case after case" British courts had failed to protect Christian values, and urged European judges to correct the balance.

He said there was a "drive to remove Judeo-Christian values from the public square" and argued that UK courts had "consistently applied equality law to discriminate against Christians" as they showed a "crude" misunderstanding of the faith by treating some worshippers as "bigots".

In his submission, Carey, who was archbishop from 1991 to 2002, wrote: "In a country where Christians can be sacked for manifesting their faith, are vilified by state bodies, are in fear of reprisal or even arrest for expressing their views on sexual ethics, something is very wrong.

"It affects the moral and ethical compass of the United Kingdom. Christians are excluded from many sectors of employment simply because of their beliefs; beliefs which are not contrary to the public good."

He added: "It is now Christians who are persecuted; often sought out and framed by homosexual activists.

"Christians are driven underground. There appears to be a clear animus to the Christian faith and to Judeo-Christian values. Clearly the courts of the United Kingdom need guidance."

He argued that British judges had used a strict reading of the equality law to strip the legal right to freedom of religion of "any substantive effect".

Keith Porteous-Wood, the executive director of the National Secular Society, told the Telegraph: "The idea that there is any kind of suppression of religion in Britain is ridiculous.

"Even in the European court of human rights, the right to religious freedom is not absolute – it is not a licence to trample on the rights of others. That seems to be what Lord Carey wants to do."

Source at the Guardian

OP: Lord Carey needs to sit the fuck down and shut the hell up. I am sick to death of these sorts of Christians who leap up and scream "persecution" every time they don't get something their way. Two of those people were sacked from their jobs for discriminating against people on the basis of their sexuality, which is illegal under British law and the other two broke dress code rules that applied to everyone else. These are the same sorts of people who complain that the LGBT crowd are demanding special rights by asking for marriage equality, yet all the while, they want special priveleges to ignore or be above the law because they choose to pray to God. These people wouldn't know persecution if it bit them, they are free to go to church and worship as they chose and have their faith but as soon as they're told they can't promote whacked medical "therapies" on buses and discriminate against other people they don't agree with, out comes the "we're being oppressed" speech.

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shukivengeance 14th-Apr-2012 04:21 pm (UTC)
Yeah screw those homosexual activists who just want you to put your religion aside and do your damn job!!!

If treating people as equals is too difficult for you, then rethink your career instead of blaming everyone else.
floweranza 14th-Apr-2012 04:30 pm (UTC)
I cry for you.

mingemonster 14th-Apr-2012 04:33 pm (UTC)
this homosexual activist is very much in favour of oppressing christians! bring back the lions tbh
imnotbob 14th-Apr-2012 04:37 pm (UTC)
You keep using this word "persecuted"; I do not think it means what you think it means.
harumi 14th-Apr-2012 05:00 pm (UTC)
cry moar christians. cry moar.
spiffynamehere 14th-Apr-2012 05:12 pm (UTC)
Lolno.
bethan_b_bad 14th-Apr-2012 05:14 pm (UTC)
Ell oh ell.

Whine on, you crazy diamond, whine on.
aviv_b 14th-Apr-2012 05:19 pm (UTC)
Your bullshit whinging about oppression is an insult to every person who has been genuinely persecuted for their religious beliefs (including Christians).

No one is doing anything to you except expecting you to behave in a civil manner toward other people in your community and to respect the secular laws of the nation you live in.

You are a vile toad and you need to STFU.
theguindo 14th-Apr-2012 06:08 pm (UTC)
and to respect the secular laws of the nation you live in.

Didn't Jesus even command his followers to do this? ffs...
tilmon 14th-Apr-2012 05:32 pm (UTC)
I must have missed that part in the Bible where Christians are commanded to wear religious bling, cast stones, and loudly proclaim their personal piety.
hamiltonia 14th-Apr-2012 05:37 pm (UTC)
*Insert world's smallest violin gif.*
kyra_neko_rei 14th-Apr-2012 05:42 pm (UTC)
He added: "It is now Christians who are persecuted; often sought out and framed by homosexual activists.

Not really helping your case by calling us that.
zizzo_no_ai 14th-Apr-2012 05:53 pm (UTC)
'Shirley Chaplin, a nurse, was moved to a paperwork role by the Royal Devon and Exeter NHS Trust hospital after refusing to remove a necklace bearing a crucifix.'

Wasn't this case outright proven to be tabloid exaggeration? She couldn't wear the necklace for health and safety, it-could-be-grabbed-by-patients reasons, not anti-Christian sentiment from the NHS.

'Gary McFarlane, a Bristol marriage counsellor, was sacked for refusing to give sex therapy to gay people, and the registrar Lilian Ladele was disciplined after she refused to conduct same-sex civil partnership ceremonies in north London.'

They were sacked and disciplined because they were discriminating! Being Christian doesn't mean discrimination laws suddenly and magically don't apply to you.

'The former archbishop argued that in "case after case" British courts had failed to protect Christian values'

That's because courts aren't there to protect Christian values! Not winning every single legal case you bring forward and not being allowed to persecute others through your on discriminatory views doesn't equal you being persecuted! It just means you being held to the same standards as the rest of society, which you apprently see yourself as too good for and want hand-holding and special treatment from every state and judicial body you can find.
xerox78 14th-Apr-2012 08:38 pm (UTC)
'Shirley Chaplin, a nurse, was moved to a paperwork role by the Royal Devon and Exeter NHS Trust hospital after refusing to remove a necklace bearing a crucifix.'

Wasn't this case outright proven to be tabloid exaggeration? She couldn't wear the necklace for health and safety, it-could-be-grabbed-by-patients reasons, not anti-Christian sentiment from the NHS.


Yep, and she was given the option to wear it and keep it tucked under her shirt or in a pocket. That wasn't good enough for her and that other woman. Because your religion is not real unless everyone can see how religious you are.
ghost_busting 14th-Apr-2012 05:55 pm (UTC)
Oh you poor man. Calling you a WAAAAHmbulance as I type.
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mephisto5 14th-Apr-2012 06:10 pm (UTC)
SIT THE FUCK DOWN.

SHUT THE FUCK UP.

myrana 14th-Apr-2012 06:26 pm (UTC)
"Lord Carey said Christians were excluded from many sectors of employment because of their beliefs, "vilified by state bodies" and left in fear of arrest for expressing their views."

Mmhmm, right. Oh, except for the fact that it was exposed just yesterday that a fundamentalist Christian charity is linked with multiple MPs from all three major political parties, and funding twenty interns.
the_gabih 14th-Apr-2012 06:49 pm (UTC)
Actually, it was exposed before then (though I might only have caught wind of it because it's a charity my parents support. Ugh. Makes me wonder how accepting of my lesbianism they actually are.)
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