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Aljazeera: Fault Lines investigates the forces behind the so-called war on women in the US. (TW)

9:47 pm - 09/09/2012
Possible trigger warning for "aborted fetus" photos and anti-choice rhetoric

It has become one of the most vicious, important and divisive battlegrounds in the 2012 US presidential election.

Since it was legalised in 1973, the issue of abortion has polarised the US, but now the battle has been taken to a new level.

"What is abortion? Fundamentally it's the killing of an innocent child. If you can't get the life of an unborn baby right, I can't trust you with my taxes, education or anything else."

- Troy Newman, the president of Operation Rescue

Last year, an unprecedented number of laws have been passed across the US, all aimed at restricting abortion or reproductive rights.

But the fight goes far beyond the medical procedure, with Republican politicians even attacking the Obama administration for making contraception more readily available.

The US has seen more anti-abortion violence than any other country in the world. Since 1993, at least eight abortion providers, including four doctors have been killed. And there have been over 200 arsons and bombings against reproductive healthcare clinics since 1977.

Why is a medical procedure being reframed as a deeply divisive moral issue in the US?

Fault Lines travels to California to meet the next generation of frontline troops fighting to ban abortion, and to Ohio and Tennessee to investigate what lies behind the so-called war on women.

"It [Ohio's heartbeat bill] really only sees a woman as a carrier and she has no other right beyond her ability to reproduce. One of the reasons that these abortion bills are so dangerous is because it chips away at the notion of personal liberty, your right. And what can be more fundamental to your personal liberty than being able to control your own body ....

Women died trying to get back-alley abortions. Do we want to get back to that in the land of opportunities, the land of freedom? When did it become a sin and a shame to be a woman in this country? But that is what is happening in the 21st century in many states across this country and also in our congress and it's just absolutely shameful to me."

Nina Turner, Ohio state senator


The video is about 25 minutes long and infuriating at points, but well worth the watch. I had no idea that CPC's (anti-choice organizations basically) are federally funded and unregulated. There's a part, I'd say about half way through, where the interviewer asks a Ohio legislator why some women have abortions and he's utterly stumped, yet he sponsored the heartbeat bill.
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ljtaylor 10th-Sep-2012 12:25 pm (UTC)
The US has seen more anti-abortion violence than any other country in the world. Since 1993, at least eight abortion providers, including four doctors have been killed. And there have been over 200 arsons and bombings against reproductive healthcare clinics since 1977.

Summarises perfectly why I scoff at the term "pro life" and its belief that I am somehow an advocate of genocide.

The first time I ever heard about abortion I must have been what, 11 or 12? And one of the first things I remember feeling on the issue was relief that childbirth was an option.
bonesnapdeez 10th-Sep-2012 01:17 pm (UTC)
Summarises perfectly why I scoff at the term "pro life" and its belief that I am somehow an advocate of genocide.

Not to mention the fact that I've never heard "pro-lifers" protest the U.S. military intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan (or the U.S.-funded violence in Palestine) - which has directly lead to scores of maimed and killed children. Nor have they commented on the use of enriched uranium during the Iraq conflict, which is directly linked to severe birth defects. Nor have they actively worked to fund child-welfare programs in their own control. Nor have they tried to make birth control available and accessible to low-income women.
blackjedii 10th-Sep-2012 01:15 pm (UTC)
hey, hey, sweetie...

I know you're a youngin and all but you want to know how to get rid of abortions?

Hand out condoms instead of Dead Baby Photos.

Tell them it's okay to talk about sex and how to have sex safely. And get your facts about birth control straight too.

I think you'll have better success.

Edited at 2012-09-10 01:34 pm (UTC)
dearmisterecho 10th-Sep-2012 01:25 pm (UTC)
nice icon, OP ;)

God, I hate these dipshits.

Basically, if they follow their logic all the way through, then they are saying that my mother should have died that I should have never been born. She had an ectopic pregnancy before having me, and if getting rid of a fetus/embryo is ~murder~ and that all pregnancies should go to full term, well then THAT WOULD HAVE FUCKING KILLED MY MOTHER WHEN THE EMBRYO WOULD HAVE GROWN AND BURST HER FALLOPIAN TUBES.


Oh, but if they would have ~allowed~ my mother to have an abortion, well then they're fucking worthless hypocrites who need to stfu and stfd.

This shit makes me so angry, I could scream.

dearmisterecho 10th-Sep-2012 01:27 pm (UTC)
And oh and they do this because they LOOOOVE babies. Yeah, FUCK YOU AGAIN, my mother was told she had a 50% chance of having another ectopic pregnancy, but SHE WANTED TO HAVE ME SO BAD SHE TOOK THE RISK.


Edited at 2012-09-10 01:28 pm (UTC)
angi_is_altered 10th-Sep-2012 01:42 pm (UTC)
Perfect use of gif!

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celtic_thistle 10th-Sep-2012 10:14 pm (UTC)
MTE, it's disgusting.
browneyedguuurl 10th-Sep-2012 02:04 pm (UTC)
Wow! That is some creepy indoctrination shit going on there.
deborahw37 10th-Sep-2012 02:53 pm (UTC)
Oh my! I'm continually amazed by whats going on in the USA.
I'm pro choice which is not the same thing as pro abortion. I want abortions to be as rare as possible, as early as possible and as safe as possible. I also want STDS to be as rare as possible and caught and treated as early as possible and for cervical and other cancers to be prevented where possible and caught quickly when they occur.

And that means good sexual health education ( Taught not caught).
Good, accessible and free at the point of use care, counselling and contraception services for both genders ( including of course good services for LGBT people).

Excellent screening services and prompt , free treatment where indicated.

The morning after pill should be easily obtainable as should condoms and other forms of contraceptive.

And any shame factor taken out so that those in need of counselling which might lead to termination of pregnancy could get help quickly and, if their choice is a termination it will be medical rather than surgical in most cases.

Oh and whilst we're at it free, high quality ante natal, maternity and post natal care and a welfare net which protects children when born.

Sadly many Americans think I'm asking for the moon on a stick but actually all I'm asking is for all women to get the kind of support which I get under the NHS.

Now the NHS is far from perfect and under attack from the Right Wing government of the UK ( which is still to the left of Obama BTW) and I'd like to see far more proactive services in this country especially when it comes to supporting parents and siblings of children who have disabilities.

But what's happening over the pond scares the heck out of me!

nutmegdealer 10th-Sep-2012 03:08 pm (UTC)
why do you want them to be rare? i used to agree with that statement, but it has the implication tht abortions are bad.
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sakuraberries 10th-Sep-2012 03:14 pm (UTC)
This whole abortion debate is fucking infuriating. It shouldn't even be a question. No one should force a woman to have her body hijacked for nine months let alone force her to birth a child she doesn't want.

I think Detective Tutoula of Law and Order: SVU phrased it best: "So which are you, pro-choice or no-choice?" Indeed.
dearmisterecho 10th-Sep-2012 03:19 pm (UTC)
A+ quote
moonbladem 10th-Sep-2012 04:06 pm (UTC)
"It [Ohio's heartbeat bill] really only sees a woman as a carrier and she has no other right beyond her ability to reproduce."

THIS. That's what it will come to if nothing is done about it. Women will be seen mainly as baby incubators, with no rights of our own. No rights to contraceptives, no rights to an abortion if we so choose, no rights even to undergo sterilization.

Everything the GOP are doing right now to chip away at abortion, including their ridiculous personhood bills, saying life begins two weeks before actual conception, making women undergo invasive ultrasounds if they decide to have an abortion, trying to redefine the definition of rape, their frighteningly casual attitudes towards rape, their woefully misinformed ideas of conception where it pertains to rape... this is what the GOP are about now. Controlling... Restricting... and Silencing Women if we dare speak up against their idiocy.

And I find it interesting that most of these people who want to take away our reproductive rights are MEN. Mostly white, old, rich, privileged, cis, straight, Christian men who apparently find intelligent, independent, ambitious, strong, opinionated women so threatening that they feel they need to do everything they can to control and shut us up, bring us back to the days of June Cleaver. Well sorry fuckers... myself, I'm for progress, not regressing to your idea of 'the good old days'.

Edited at 2012-09-10 04:09 pm (UTC)
babysinclair 10th-Sep-2012 05:11 pm (UTC)
I agree about the 2 prong approach with better sex education and availability of birth control along with keeping abortion legal that went up up thread.

This shouldn't be an either/or argument but an education process to help women make the choice they want to make and not a "choice" that has been predetermined for them by everyone but they themselves.
tabaqui 10th-Sep-2012 06:18 pm (UTC)
This 'argument' exhausts me. It should be so damn *obvious* that women need to have bodily autonomy and the freedom to choose what works best for them, be it abortion, pregnancy, birth control, whatever.

I'm so sick of Xian/fanatic fuckheads and dumb-ass MEN trying to make laws about stuff that's utterly and without doubt none of their business.

I don't see any of 'em trying to regulate if a woman gets a boob job. It could screw up her ability to breastfeed! Think about the baaaaaaaaaay-beeeeeeeeees!!

freuen 10th-Sep-2012 08:24 pm (UTC)
Don't give them any ideas.
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nemi_chan 10th-Sep-2012 08:56 pm (UTC)
I feel bad because I have warm fuzzies at gently related to this post.

As horrible as these people are, you CAN convince them to stop being douche bags. I did.

(Admittedly La wasn't ever a douchbag, and isn't religious, but still.) It is possible to turn an anti-abortionist into a pro-choices, even if it is a reluctantly pro-choice.

Edited at 2012-09-10 08:57 pm (UTC)
makemerun 10th-Sep-2012 09:29 pm (UTC)
Hey, does anyone have information on actual aborted fetuses vs. photographs shown? From what I understand, a huge percentage of the photographs used are from stillbirths rather than actual abortions, or very late term abortions (which of course are almost NEVER done unless it wouldn't survive after birth).

Is there a website that has stories of people getting abortions? Bust did an article a few issues ago detailing getting an abortion-- I'm sure there's a website like it, but tbh I'm scared to Google because of the overwhelming bullshit.

Also, someone please tell me that the rumor that an abortion activist used a photograph of creepy dead baby Voldemort thinking it was an aborted fetus is true.

deborahw37 10th-Sep-2012 09:35 pm (UTC)
There was a link to such a site on The Guardian recently. Haven't got time tonight to track it down but a search there might be less traumatic than Googling

And I think that rumour is true!
makemerun tw: Rape10th-Sep-2012 09:56 pm (UTC)
"Her right to choose ends when she gets into bed"

How's that for a double entendre.

All of the stuff going on here scares the crap out of me, tbh. I'm getting sterilized tomorrow and though slightly scared because omg surgery, it's going to be SUCH a huge relief. Either way, if I ever get pregnant again I'll have to have an abortion, but now it's a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a chance.

Of course my Catholic family were like OMG BUT THE UNBORN BABIES, and I was like "are you serious, they're not even conceived yet." BUT GOD KNOWS YOU BEFORE YOU'RE CONCEIVED.

Then I guess he doesn't know anymore kids of mine because guess what NOT HAVING ANY MORE KTHX!

Anyway, this doc was great, even if the subject matter literally makes me fear for the future of the country. :/
fuck_of_nature Re: tw: Rape11th-Sep-2012 12:03 am (UTC)
Good luck on your surgery!
schexyschteve 10th-Sep-2012 10:45 pm (UTC)
"the interviewer asks a Ohio legislator why some women have abortions and he's utterly stumped"

I saw this on Rachel Maddow on Friday, and it was mind-boggling. He was like, "You know, I've never thought about that before!" with a smile on his face.
makemerun 10th-Sep-2012 10:52 pm (UTC)
"Wait, what's a woman?"
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